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  1. Mi alvenis al paĝo 9. Jam ĝenis min 'paseo' en 'Oni provis imagi la paseon'. Kial ne 'pasintaĵon/kio okazis/la fonon'?

    Persone mi ne povus subteni la uzon de 'aliel'. Tio tute haltigis la legadon. Mi ne kontraŭas, ke oni aldonu finaĵojn al la tabelvortoj (tiea, tiama, kiuj, kiu kiuas), sed tabelvortajn finaĵojn oni male ne aldonu al aliaj vortoj. Jam 'alio' kaj 'alia' havas proprajn signifojn, kaj se 'aliel' oni permesas, kial ne 'Mi vidis Times libron'?

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  2. 3 minutes ago, Rico said:

    Ekz: sulkiĝis, ĝangalo. Mi ne tro ŝatis 'poemajn' alternativojn al tute bonaj kaj uzeblaj vortoj --> Lontane, dekjarolda...

    Same pri tiuj ĉi vortoj.

    Mi devis kontroli kelkajn vortojn, ekzemple senjori (p8). Leginte la difinon, mi facile rekonas la francan radikon. Ĉu estas bona ideo uzi jaman vorton apenaŭ konatan, kaj tiel devigi eĉ spertajn legantojn iri al vortaro? Mi ne certas.

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  3. 1 minute ago, Rico said:

    Demandon por vi mi havas: kio signifas "Fotri" (la formo 'fotris' aperas en la libro). Mi ne trovis ĝin en vortaro.net, tekstaro aŭ en la aliaj vortaroj kie mi serĉis.

    Troviĝas glosaro en la lastaj paĝoj.

    Tiu ĉi ŝajnas al mi tute nenecesa vorto prenita el la franca. Oni povus uzi jaman vorton por klarigi la saman signifon, ĉu ne?

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  4. Mi komencis legi la libron. Jam estas frue, tro frue por ekhavi ideon.

    Kion vi rimarkis pri ĝi? Ĉu ĝi ŝajnas interesa?

    Kion vi opinias pri la lingvaĵo en ĝi? Ĉu kelkajn vortojn vi devis kontroli en vortaro? Ĉu trafis vin la penso, ke en iu momento la aŭtoro povus elekti pli konatan vorton?


  5. I don't know how book clubs are supposed to work, so we need to work out what we do after getting our hands on book 1, @Rico, @Jack Warren, @simone davis and @Vilĉjo Walker.

    To prevent things getting cluttered, do we post in one thread per book or create a new thread at every check-in point? The former is probably neater, I think.

    Which language do we use? Both, as required? I don't want new people to feel left out but it might also be useful for people to type in Esperanto about a particular subject.

    Do we say something like 'The aim is to read from page X to page Y by such-and-such a date?' What happens next? Does the Club Leader (currently me but happy to stand aside for someone else) set some questions about the content, having already read ahead?


  6. You'd need to source your font from a site like Font Squirrel. Alongside options for style (serif, handwritten etc), you'll also find an option to filter by fonts containing glyphs from a particular language. Esperanto is one of those.

    That's not the end of the story, however. In my experience, nearly every font claiming to have Esperanto's characters doesn't, so it's important to test the font before downloading it and getting disappointed. I use the words ehoŝanĝo ĉiuĵaŭde for this purpose. If the letters aren't present, your test text will not be correct:

    Untitled-1.jpg

    Unfortunately, for some reason, even fonts with the correct glyphs in are failing today. I don't know why that should be; it's always worked before. Fortunately, there's another test you can make. Since there's a tab to view the glyphs, do exactly that and then navigate to a letter which you'd expect to see. If it's there, then you know that the font is usable:

    chrome_bwu5EfJMu4.png

    There are many sites for downloading fonts, so give them a try until you find something you like.


  7. Hi, Frank -

    1 hour ago, Frank said:

    I think you're right: English is not a truly international language either. On the other hand, it's far more convenient for most people to use English rather than Esperanto (even for you, I guess...).

    Yes, I wouldn't dispute the reality of the world at all. For many situations and people, English is the common language and is probably the nearest to claiming the title the international  language. But there are plenty of people and areas where it's of no use whatsoever, such as a village in Eastern Lithuania which I found myself in. Even the younger people in the restaurant didn't know it at all and we relied on our few words of Russian.

    1 hour ago, Frank said:

    1 What do you think is unique about Esperanto when compared to other languages?

    Its origins. The fact it's planned. I imagine it's the only language which has seen growth of, say, one million percent in its speaker base since July of 1887 too :)

    1 hour ago, Frank said:

    2 Do you consider Esperanto as part of your identity? (In what sense)

    Nope.


  8. Saluton, Frank.

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    1.     What is your first language? (i.e. ‘native’ language, mother tongue - if it is a language other than Esperanto)

    English.

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    2.     What other languages do you speak?

    French and Italian, with a smattering of other Romance languages and superficial knowledge of a couple of other ones.

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    3.     When did you learn Esperanto?

    2002

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    4.     Why did you learn Esperanto? (this can be any reason)

    Curiosity.

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    5.     When do you use Esperanto? (e.g. in everyday situations, or on special occasions only?)

    I use it every day because of my work but not in the home. It does serve as a useful secret language if my better half and I want to talk privately in public.

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    6.     How fluent are you in Esperanto? (as fluent as in your first language?)

    Functionally fluent. I don't think many if any people become truly fluent in Esperanto compared to their native language. I might not know what an ash tree looks like but at least it's not a new name to me in English. I have no idea what it's called in Esperanto. Native speakers of national languages have vocabulary which is passively amassed and which people from other language backgrounds can't replicate.

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    7.     What role can Esperanto play in today’s world? (e.g. as an international language, or as a 'neutral' language)

    As long as you can find someone who speaks Esperanto (and therein lies the problem), it does the job it's supposed to.

    On 13/02/2019 at 11:44, Frank said:

    8.     What do you think of the claim that the only real international language is English, instead of Esperanto?

    I think both claims in that statement are false.


  9. Mi imagas, ke la plejparto da homoj komencis lerni Esperanton pro simpla lingva scivolo. Kial ili restis post la unuaj paŝoj, kiam ne plu estis ĉi tiu scivolemo; jen alia demando :)

    Mi ekprovis Esperanton kaj trovis la lernadon sufiĉe facila, kio kuraĝigis min plu lerni. Kompreneble, en tiuj foraj, fruaj tagoj, mi renkontis nur la bazajn aspektojn de Esperanto. La pli tiklajn mi renkontis (kaj daŭre renkontas) poste. Se mi renkontus ilin tutkomence, mi certe ne opinius Esperanton tiel facila.

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  10. Jam multege da kapdoloroj mi ricevis luktante pri tiaĵoj ĉe la dosiero htaccess. Antaŭe la problemo estis, ke mi ne sukcesis plusendi kaj esperanto.org.uk/eldonoj kaj esperanto.org.uk/eldonoj/kaj-iu-dosiero.

    Ŝajnas al mi, ke post iom pli da luktado kaj kapfrapado mi finfine sukcesis. Mi kontrolis per la baza doseriujo /eldonoj/, /eldonoj/piron/ kaj via ligilo, kaj ĉiuj redirektiĝis.

    (Se tio ne funkcias por vi, mi petas provi per alia retumilo. Antaŭe temis pri redirektigo 301 (porĉiama), do daŭre por mi ne eblas ĉe mia kutima retumilo. Sed ĉe alia, ĝi nun funkcias.)

     



     


  11. Saluton!

    Vi ricevus paperan atestilon, ke vi sukcesis je la ekzameno, sed bonvolu noti, ke en la ekstera mondo niaj ekzamenoj neniel estas oficiale agnoskataj. Ili estas tute malformalaj.

    Agnoskataj estas la ekzamenoj laŭ la komuna eŭropa referenckadro. Ni celas starigi sesion en Londono, plejeble iun sabaton en junio. (La daton elektas ne ni, sed iu instanco pli oficiala.) Kiam mi ekscios pli, mi publikigos la detalojn.


  12. Saluton, Mark. Ĉu vi estas aŭ ne estas membro de EAB neniel rilatas al la mapo. Ne temas pri aŭtomata proceso, laŭ kiu EAB-membroj aperas en ĝi. Necesas, ke vi aldonu vin mem, per alklako de la verda butono ĉe la mapo. Mi ne ĝuste memoras (ĉar mi jam estas aldoninta min mem do ne vidas la saman aferon, kiun vi vidas), sed mi kredas, ke vi devos poste elekti, ĉu uzi vian nunan lokon, ĉu entajpi alian. Fininte tion, vi aperos sur la mapo kiel aliaj homoj sub la titolo "membroj".

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  13. I've not included your file, @kashtanulo, because Chrome's just thrown up a security warning. I know there's nothing malicious and it's just doing it because it's an executable file but I'll be the one fielding complaints when other people download it and think we're linking to something dodgy.

    Thanks, @arielbonkorpa, but please remember that I'm not a Mac user so can't embellish your explanation as required to help others understand. How does one somebody select the ABC Extended keyboard layout, for example? Screenshots would be even better. 


  14. Eh, who knew? The font doesn't contain the accented characters (https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Lato) and yet everything was displaying correctly in most parts of the site. Haven't a clue what's going on unless by fluke the relevant characters in the substitute fonts happened to look very similar at certain font weights.

    Rather than mess around, I've dropped Lato as the site font and replaced it with one which supports Esperanto characters.


  15. Martin's at work at the minute and so won't be able to have a look. I've notified him, though, so I'm sure he'll look into things as and when he has time.


  16. Got it. Not the solution but a  visual of what's happening. Here's your opening post:

    <p>
    	<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp; </span><span> </span><span>N<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp; </span></span><span> </span>No, I think you&#39;re&nbsp;<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp; </span>describing an entirely<span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span> different phenomenon. There are a number of differences between what you seem to be describing and what I observe:<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span>
    </p>
    
    <p>
    	* With me the menu sometimes disappears if I move the mouse pointer quickly; moving it slowly is a way of reliably making it disappear.<span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span>
    </p>
    
    <p>
    	* Time has nothing to do with it, as far as I can tell: it can happen 0.5 s or 20 s after clicking.<span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span>
    </p>
    
    <p>
    	* The menu disappears suddenly (it doesn&#39;t &quot;fade&quot;) when the mouse pointer crosses a particular line.<span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span>
    </p>
    
    <p>
    	* I&#39;ve never experienced this on any other web site.<span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span>
    </p>
    
    <p>
    	* My guess is<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span> that the problem happens when an intermediate position of the mouse pointer happens to be exactly on the boundary of the box containing the menu items. The more slowly<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span> you move the mouse pointer, the more likely it is to happen, but it can happen at any speed. It happens frequently enough at normal speeds to be annoying.<span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span>
    </p>
    
    <p>
    	<span>(The stuff above looked normal before I pressed the button: further evidence of the editor not working, I suppose.)<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> 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    </p>
    
    <p>
    	<span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span>&nbsp;
    </p>

    And here's one of your "12 3" posts: 

    <p>
    	12<span>&nbsp;</span>3<span>&nbsp;</span><span> </span>
    </p>

    That gives me (well, Martin really) something to work with.

    You can use Firefox's inspector tools to see the source by right-clicking an element + Q or just by clicking F12 and navigating through the tree.

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